Deal Dispute Deal Dispute on x | UID 32 | $25000

[awfcpcuabspsqo]

Scammed By: @x

Deal Date: December 12, 2022

Scammed Date: February 16, 2023

Deal Price (in USD): $25000

Incident Details:
Purchased a minecraft cape account off of @x and his friend, the deal went thru his friend as @x said that the account would be on his reputation and would not get pulled as it was “purchased off of the original owner.” The worse thing that could happen was "The capes would only get stripped". I went to log in to said account 2/16 to see that the account has been pulled by the original owner. The said account no longer being connected to the msa linked, but reverted to a Mojang. Fast forward to 2/26 said account was migrated from a microsoft from a mojang, being on roxbot proving that the account was pulled. Account was purchased for 1.476 BTC.

Scam Proof:
Proof @x said that he would be liable - https://prnt.sc/cDClvqIqBcdr

Deal between me and @x friend - https://prnt.sc/a7ssg6a7rKIt

Transaction at time of deal - https://prnt.sc/V0Ay5n_RBmSH

Account losing the username/minecraft - https://prnt.sc/uQq61-bseEVO , https://prnt.sc/geE6bANKaJYe

@x admitting the account got pulled - https://prnt.sc/vyGhy0X8gx1P

@Zyger saying that the account has been pulled - https://prnt.sc/uJ1AoQT54Rhc

@m4 saying it was demigrated and pulled with all ogi - https://prnt.sc/G2fuMQ-3RSYX

@**** (known, respected user in the mc com) telling me that this only happens when an account was pulled via support - https://prnt.sc/DJ0jwpPQtQD7

Account getting migrated 2/24 - https://prnt.sc/hXaa6MLorCxl , https://prnt.sc/V7Fs5h_E3vkc

Account logged on roxbot 2/24 - https://prnt.sc/OtWL0D8jHoY5 , https://prnt.sc/RDx1ClCPU4vG , https://prnt.sc/3di-9k9kY3iT

I want a full BTC refund (1.476)

 

[awfcpcuabspsqo]

 

[Dave]

@x

 

[xTaken]

User purchased a Mojang Cape account that was purchased directly from the original owner (an ex-Mojang employee) over a year ago. He claimed the original owner pulled the account and contacted me about this. I told him he should try reaching out to the original owner to ask if the account was pulled or what happened to it. This original owner sold 4 Mojang employee cape accounts to a friend, and only this one got locked. My friend purchased these accounts from him via Instagram DMs, and unfortunately, his account was permanently banned, which is why I told nas he should reach out.

The "respected user in the mc com" that @nas was talking to about this account was talking to this original owner previous to this situation happening for some reason which is quite odd if you ask me. Due to this individual already having contact with the original owner, I told nas he should ask about this account to see what had happened. The original owner told him the account had been deactivated for being reported due to suspicious activity on the account.

Nas claims Microsoft accounts demigrating to a Mojang account only happens when an account is pulled back via Support, but this is an employee account. When I said that the worst thing that could happen is the capes get removed, that is what I assumed based on what had happened previously to other special capes such as IGN "josevery," (a translator + 2 minecon cape account) when that account got reported and locked, all of the capes were removed from the account, but the account itself was still fine. The difference between that account and this one is that this is a Mojang Employee account; this is the first time anyone has legitimately acquired an account like this until this original owner sold 4 of them. Nobody truly knew what could have happened if the account had been reported, and Mojang chose to act on it.

Regardless of this, I went to the original owner myself, acting like my friend who purchased the accounts from him in order to see if I could figure this situation out myself, I asked if he had pulled the account back by mistake, thinking it may have been a different account, but he told me he does not have access to the account and has not pulled it back. He said, "from the info I got it's been deactivated due to suspicious activity, was apparently reported on a server." I asked the original owner if he could recover the account to give it back as he had already been paid for the account previously, and we assumed that payment would include him helping with the accounts in the future. He said he would probably be able to get the account back through an old co-worker but that it would cost money to get it back.

I believe the messages of the original owner and that the account was locked, as accounts only get demigrated when pulled via Minecraft Support. This account was undoubtedly not pulled via Support because it was an employee account that did not have a transaction ID associated with it, as the account was created via the backend for free. If the account truly got locked as the original owner said it did, I am not surprised that he is able to get it back via an old co-worker as he could come up with several excuses to explain the account was still him, just on a VPN or something of the sort.

Also, as for the account being on Roxbot, the individual who had the OG Owner contact previous to this situation ended up buying the account for himself, which is why the account was fixed and migrated. It also appears you purchased it from that individual already, as it is friended to your main account on NameMC, so I am not even sure why you are making this, as it is clear that neither me nor my friend did anything to the account.


Messages with OGO - https://prnt.sc/Ii3znerCrItS

 

[awfcpcuabspsqo]

User purchased a Mojang Cape account that was purchased directly from the original owner (an ex-Mojang employee) over a year ago. He claimed the original owner pulled the account and contacted me about this. I told him he should try reaching out to the original owner to ask if the account was pulled or what happened to it. This original owner sold 4 Mojang employee cape accounts to a friend, and only this one got locked. My friend purchased these accounts from him via Instagram DMs, and unfortunately, his account was permanently banned, which is why I told nas he should reach out.

The "respected user in the mc com" that @nas was talking to about this account was talking to this original owner previous to this situation happening for some reason which is quite odd if you ask me. Due to this individual already having contact with the original owner, I told nas he should ask about this account to see what had happened. The original owner told him the account had been deactivated for being reported due to suspicious activity on the account.

Nas claims Microsoft accounts demigrating to a Mojang account only happens when an account is pulled back via Support, but this is an employee account. When I said that the worst thing that could happen is the capes get removed, that is what I assumed based on what had happened previously to other special capes such as IGN "josevery," (a translator + 2 minecon cape account) when that account got reported and locked, all of the capes were removed from the account, but the account itself was still fine. The difference between that account and this one is that this is a Mojang Employee account; this is the first time anyone has legitimately acquired an account like this until this original owner sold 4 of them. Nobody truly knew what could have happened if the account had been reported, and Mojang chose to act on it.

Regardless of this, I went to the original owner myself, acting like my friend who purchased the accounts from him in order to see if I could figure this situation out myself, I asked if he had pulled the account back by mistake, thinking it may have been a different account, but he told me he does not have access to the account and has not pulled it back. He said, "from the info I got it's been deactivated due to suspicious activity, was apparently reported on a server." I asked the original owner if he could recover the account to give it back as he had already been paid for the account previously, and we assumed that payment would include him helping with the accounts in the future. He said he would probably be able to get the account back through an old co-worker but that it would cost money to get it back.

I believe the messages of the original owner and that the account was locked, as accounts only get demigrated when pulled via Minecraft Support. This account was undoubtedly not pulled via Support because it was an employee account that did not have a transaction ID associated with it, as the account was created via the backend for free. If the account truly got locked as the original owner said it did, I am not surprised that he is able to get it back via an old co-worker as he could come up with several excuses to explain the account was still him, just on a VPN or something of the sort.

Also, as for the account being on Roxbot, the individual who had the OG Owner contact previous to this situation ended up buying the account for himself, which is why the account was fixed and migrated. It also appears you purchased it from that individual already, as it is friended to your main account on NameMC, so I am not even sure why you are making this, as it is clear that neither me nor my friend did anything to the account.


Messages with OGO - https://prnt.sc/Ii3znerCrItS

The "respected user in the mc com" is irrelevant in this matter, no it was not your friend id rather not say his name for safety. As of the account for right now No I do not own the account my friend bought it as a troll to see if he actually had it and he did the whole time.

I purchased an account off of you that you bought off an ogo, the account was then pulled off of me. The account is literally in hands of another owner being migrated to another microsoft that you know isn't mine. You lied about the account being locked after it was taken off of me when it was just pulled back by the ogo. You stated that that the account would be on your reputation and that it wont get pulled, (https://prnt.sc/PIi9J7U-kBjt ) the account got pulled. Don't see how you're even attempting to argue this. You stated your TOS and u cant even oblige by it. This account has been sold again by the ogo so I expect the a refund of the price I paid, as you getting the account back for me is out of the matter.

 

[xTaken]

I am not sure what you’re trying to argue; both myself and your friend (who was contacting this original owner before this situation even happened, which is quite strange if you ask me) spoke to the OGO, and he told us the account was locked. I even showed proof of what he said and can prove to staff that this is, in fact, the original owner, and show the rest of my conversation with him if they would like to see it.

I’m not sure why you are trying to argue this and claim he’s lying when we already have an answer, and it is clear that neither me nor my friend pulled the account.

 

[awfcpcuabspsqo]

I am not sure what you’re trying to argue; both myself and your friend (who was contacting this original owner before this situation even happened, which is quite strange if you ask me) spoke to the OGO, and he told us the account was locked. I even showed proof of what he said and can prove to staff that this is, in fact, the original owner, and show the rest of my conversation with him if they would like to see it.

I’m not sure why you are trying to argue this and claim he’s lying when we already have an answer, and it is clear that neither me nor my friend pulled the account.

"who was contacting this original owner before this situation even happened". This is literally quite irrelevant to the situation, if staff need all the Instagram messages he sent we can gladly do that. I've already told you what he was contacting him for prior and it was not regarding the account and you know that stop acting dumb.

In spite of what happened you made my friend contact him, as the Instagram that you guys contacted him with was banned. Why would I be contacting someone when you guys can contact him since you bought the account? Him saying that the account was locked is complete otherwise from my friend who bought. (https://prnt.sc/gKRRApwiJ8sz) Here you can see that he asked him to show the capes and he told him it was on a Mojang, he then migrated it proving he had it the whole time to show my friend the capes. He literally had the account before the sale coincidence? I think not.

This deal dispute is only made because YOU sold me an account that you guaranteed would be on your reputation if the account got pulled off of me. You never specified under what conditions it would be on your reputation ex; your friend pulling it, you pulling it or ogo. Which we both know now is the 3rd option the ogo. I was told that it would be on your reputation if it got pulled https://prnt.sc/cDClvqIqBcdr . The account got pulled off of me. The account has now been resold, so you returning the account to the rightful owner (me) is out of the question. So I expect a refund of the price that I purchased the account for off of you (1.476 BTC). You sold me an unsafe account that you gave me guarantees on and you cant even stand by that. Don't make a guarantee that you can't follow up on when it actually happens because at that point u were just lying.

"I’m not sure why you are trying to argue this and claim he’s lying when we already have an answer, and it is clear that neither me nor my friend pulled the account."

Saying this is quite funny so let's put this in an analogy. Let's say I was able to get 'nas' on Minecraft and the person I bought it off of got it directly off ogo, and I'm being told that it wouldn't and would be on HIS reputation that it won't get pulled, so I'm assuming it shouldn't get pulled right? Let alone being sold to another user. Shit happens and the og owner pulls it back. Do I A. Lose my account + money when shit happened out of my control? Or B. Get refunded because the user promised it wouldn't get pulled providing a guarantee to the account. It would obviously be B. The fact that I even have to explain what you said is retarded. Do you hear how dumb you sound? How are you not at fault? I'm down 1.476 BTC because of a guarantee made by you which finalized the sale.

 

[xTaken]

Not sure why you keep saying, "YOU sold me an account," when you did the entire deal through my friend.

Anyways, the OG Owner migrated the account after recovering it via his old co-workers, as he said he would to both of us. I do not understand why you are acting like this was my fault when the account was not pulled. That type of demigration from Microsoft to Mojang only happens when an account is pulled via support, and this account has no transaction ID; it was not pulled.

You tried to tell me that it must have gotten pulled back because it was on a @mojang.com email, which may have made sense until you followed up by saying it was not on a @mojang.com email, which makes it even more questionable as to how it could have gotten pulled. If this account was the same as every other one and on a normal email, how could it have even been pulled without support?

Moreover, if you think he is a liar and doing this out of greed and truly did pull it, why wouldn't he pull all four accounts or at least two? His story makes sense to me; you were playing on a Mojang Employee Cape account, nobody has ever acquired an account of this sort before this, and nobody realistically knew what could happen to it; we just gave our best assumption. Your account was reported and locked, end of story.

 

[awfcpcuabspsqo]

The account was pulled off me, the owner stole the account and sold it to another person? I legit can't get it back it's stolen from me by the og owner. It's quite ironic how even when you were messaging him about the account he still went ahead and sold it to another person. What do you not understand I say YOU and not your friend because this is on your reputation not his. The reason for him not pulling the others is unknown and irrelevant I''m not going to assume why he did it but we both know why he could have did it.



Since you're bringing up this "Comablack" account let's talk about it this and the story before it. Back February 1st my friend told me that the ogo, had received a chargeback of an account he sold for $10k. He was trying to pull an account, yet he didn't know what the ign was? (https://prnt.sc/23o8YTbKQFcx) (https://prnt.sc/_ryQEhtqd-0R) I thought nothing of this and moved on about my day. Feb 16 the account is now demigrated and put on a mojang. Due to the dm I got 15 days ago I assume that he pulled the wrong account. Here's where he tries to take advantage of stealing the wrong account. Ender tells me that he nor his friend have contact with him but my friend has active contact so I pm him. He says the exact same thing he told ender except the "Banned for playing a server part". He says he pulled "Comablack". However this is a lie. This account has never had capes with no namemc claimed to hide the capes (https://mcskinhistory.com/player/73672c8f5e0b4e69bd6a3d585719f5a5) (https://namemc.com/profile/ComaBlack.4) Nor has it ever played on any server (https://plancke.io/hypixel/player/stats/Comablack) with no capes being reported on not even 1 cape website. Not to mention the account was created a year after he was fired (https://prnt.sc/VqzVQKUF6MXT) (https://prnt.sc/xPGD6WK_0bDC). So now my friend is messaging him, and he mentions that he can get the account back for a price of 10.5k to pay his "contact" he's also never had any cape tools (https://prnt.sc/gL2drtIQqlIq) So obviously if he cannot get a friend to add capes for good pay I know for a fact that this account never had capes especially if being made a year after being fired. Let alone paying his "contact" to get the account unlocked, he took the account back. I do not think he intentionally pulled it on purpose https://prnt.sc/njAAg-6hQcpQ Your friend thinks the same as well. But what he did do was take advantage because he thought it was a good way to make his 10.5k back selling it to someone else. It was never locked what do you not understand you legit agreed with me in dms? (https://prnt.sc/WueUG1JaZjFx) If you can't pay me my money back just say that and take the ban. He could never do tasks before for $ and now all of a sudden he can. The og owner is clearly lying for money, you realize how when my friend was messaging him about the account he just randomly brings up getting the account for money. Friend was asking if I would buy it back again I said no you can buy it if you want. Out of curiosity due to him just bugging him he asks him to migrate it to show the capes and guess what he's had it the whole time. That story of pulling "Comablack" and not mine isn't making sense . It's hard to go off an og owner who is even proved by you, your friend, my friend who has been contacting him, and others that he's a greedy dog, and a liar.

"You tried to tell me that it must have gotten pulled back because it was on a @mojang.com email, which may have made sense until you followed up by saying it was not on a @mojang.com email, which makes it even more questionable as to how it could have gotten pulled. If this account was the same as every other one and on a normal email, how could it have even been pulled without support?".



The account was pulled either by support, or his contact. I was heavy on support because that's just what others were telling me. Which is why I wanted to get more evidence before I even made this on you. When me and your friend tested putting his email on the @mojang.com or -locked, -comprised, -resold, -hacked to see if it's an existing email or anything nothing worked I even tried the oge ***@mojang.com no registry was popping up. (https://prnt.sc/MNj8JJzt8pZf) Usually if i'm not mistaken and people can vouch for me on this when an account is locked/stolen it is reverted back to the original email, or it's reverted to the og email with a suffix of those above. However this is not the case. We can take this per say for the account "bwizze852" this account has been stolen many times a high valuable cape account. It's been reverted to the oge by mojang. December of 2022 owner was hacked when the account was previously "locked" but it was really just sitting on the og email on a mojang. But for my account this says otherwise as it showed no registry of his email, or any locked combinations meaning he either contacted support or his contact to change it on to a PERSONAL email that he has access too as his email ***@mojang.com is no longer an existing email. How else could he have had access to it the whole time? He can't lie and say that he needed his "contact" to re-enable his work email as it was never reverted to that. Your friend also agrees this makes no sense with him pulling an account he doesn't know an ign too. He's also agreeing with me when the account wasn't reverted to oge he told me that he can't get the mojang email back yet he somehow migrated it? This shows that he told support/contact to email change it on an email of his choice proving it was never locked. Locked accounts get reverted to OGE and you know this so don't even try to argue about it. (https://prnt.sc/A-2LUcqT47iT)

"His story makes sense to me; you were playing on a Mojang Employee Cape account, nobody has ever acquired an account of this sort before this, and nobody realistically knew what could happen to it".



I'm sorry I guess an employee who helped make the game can get their account locked for being on a server now He's going to need to come with a better bs excuse then that. I barely went on the account to begin except the first month of me getting it. Account was pulled 2 months later it's never been reported publicly as far as I know https://prnt.sc/z2a464Hxg8gg (slack of the realms) Let's not forget there's been a mass of a lot of new mojang accounts going on roxbot as well having more hours then mine alone actively talking about buying/selling accounts. The friend you sold the other account to M********* he was even surprised that he didn't get locked before me when he's on it on the regular only typing in the chat. Let's not forget that account even has a compromised ban on roxbot. I've barely logged in the past 2m so it getting locked and not others because an employee was just playing on a server is unbelievable. I thought this was the safest of the 4? It's been migrated for over a year so I don't see how much of an issue of why it was locked. He claims it was "locked" because I was on roxbot, while 3-4 other accounts do the same being FRESH migrated.

 

[awfcpcuabspsqo]

Regardless of what I said the owner still took the account from me even though you say it's "locked". You still went against your warranty theirs no argument to that he then stole MY account and sold it to another user that's pulling if you didn't know ender...

I'm no longer replying to this as what you say I've literally debunked or you have shit evidence to back it up with. We clearly can tell I have more evidence then you, and your jus assuming shit at this point. Staff reply to this dispute instead of us just going back and forth it will go no where. I made this deal dispute to get a decider not to just let everyone on the site watch us argue.